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Good morning?

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Good morning, are you going away
or coming back so early?

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I'm coming back, I took the night
train from Szczecin...

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Ah, I see you've made a good deal?

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A series... Showing the German flight
to the North Pole of 1931...

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the Polarfahrt

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A Zeppelin, I guess?

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Three of them, they're great

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You must show them to me one day

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I'll be glad to show them to you

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Good morning

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Good morning, Professor?

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The dean would like to speak to you

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Come on in, please

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This is Mrs. Elibieta Loranz
from New York

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We've already met

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In the States, do I remember well?

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You translated my works,
didn't you?

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Nearly all of them

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Your Polish is perfect! And to
think I've been breaking my tongue

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You did very well

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Yes, Mrs. Loranz is here
on scientific exchange

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She's interested in
your works, Professor

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If I got her right,
she'd like to attend your classes

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That will be a pleasure for me

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Do you want to come today?

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If I may

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Will you excuse me?

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Mrs. Elzbieta Loranz works...

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at the American Institute
for investigation

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of Jews rescued from the Holocaust

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Well, let's continue our subject

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The moral inferno

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Who'd like to speak first?

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We already have two political stories

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to consider...

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and one related to the customs
to simplify matters

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Yes?

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Let's imagine the following situation
A man is dying of cancer...

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This is the third case of cancer
this year

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He is treated by an excellent specialist

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...who's believing Christian,
by the way, it's important

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Well, the doctor happen to live

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...in the same house as the patient
and his wife

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The wife starts pestering the doctor

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She wants to know...

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whether her husband will die

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And when, but the doctor
can't tell her that

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To him, it's like
passing a death sentence

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As a believer he can't do it

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But the patient's wife grows
more and more intrusive

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The doctor suspects her of having...

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special reasons that make her
insist on his answer

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It appears he's right:
The woman is pregnant

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It's another man's baby

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The husband doesn't know
What's more...

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She couldn't get pregnant before

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She loves her unborn baby,

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But she also loves her husband

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If he's going to live,

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She'll have an abortion

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If he dies, she can have her baby

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The doctor is to decide about
that baby's life

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whether he likes it or not
He's aware of that

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I know how the story ended

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Warsaw's a small town

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To make things more difficult for you,
I might add the baby's alive

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Which is perhaps the most important
element of the story

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Excuse me, I can't make the
recording from that distance

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I said he baby was alive

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And that I considered that fact
the most important element

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I'd like you to define the characters

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...and motives of the heroes

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...of that story

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It's going to be the more interesting
as we both know the archetypes

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Though actually, I believe you know
different archetypes than I do

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Yes, Madam

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Thank you, anybody else wants to
say something? No?

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Let us therefore analyse
the previous stories

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Yes, Madam?

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You said the baby's life
was paramount,

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...didn't you?

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Yes indeed

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It just occurred to me -

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if I'm allowed to take an active part
in the class, that is -

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But of course, all those present
have equal rights

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I'd like to tell you

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...about an event

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We'll be glad to hear you

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I'm afraid it has a weak point for you

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it happened in the past

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But then it also has an advantage

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It's true

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Does what I said about the baby's life

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...matter to you specially?

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Yes, it does

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...to some extent

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It's the year 1943... February
...the winter

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The heroine is a girl of six
...a Jewish girl

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...kept in a basement of a house
in the neighborhood

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But she can't stay there any longer

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The girl's father is in the ghetto

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His friends try to find
a new place for her

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The place is found but her
future guardians pose a condition

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The girl must have an official
certificate of baptism

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It's a cold evening

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The girl visits a married couple

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...who have agreed to be
her godparents

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They are Catholics, and young

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The girl's frozen

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She has spent all day getting through the
city with her guardian to reach this flat

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Well, she now goes in
accompanied by the guardian

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The husband seems nervous
The wife is calm

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They serve hot tea

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The girl wants that tea very much
but there isn't time

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The parent's waiting,
and the curfew's near

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But the woman who should start
getting dressed

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...asks them to sit down instead

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Sorry

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Get out of here!

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Please go out

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Thank you

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You said it was in 1943?

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Yes, in February

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In Warsaw?

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Yes

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In the distant parts of Mokotow district
In Odynca street

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Yes? What happened next?

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Next? Ah, yes

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They sat at the table

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The man kept walking round the table

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They looked at one another

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At least the woman made up her mind to say
things that were so very difficult to say

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They can't keep their promise

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Having considered everything...

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They cannot lie to the one
they believe in

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He does demand them to be charitable

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...but forbids to give false testimony

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The lie they had planned to commit
knowing what cause it serve

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...proved reconcilable with their
moral principles after all

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That's it

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Then, the guardian and the girl
rise from the table

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Have some more tea,
the woman says

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The girl takes a sip

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But then she glances at her guardian
and puts the glass down

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And then,

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...downstairs at the gateway

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...the girl notices her guardian

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It's curfew soon,
she says

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But the guardian doesn't move

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Was there anybody else

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...in that flat?

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Yes, an elderly gentleman

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He was sitting with his back
to the rest

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In a wheel chair, I believe

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Do you know any details?

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The tea cups were good quality China,
but didn't match one another

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There was a green kerosene lamp
on the table but it was out

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The man never took his hand out of
his trouser pocket

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...during the two or three minutes
of the conversation

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They are all the details

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Any questions?
None?

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Maybe doubts?

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Yes?

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The motivations seems improbable to me
it that married couple were really Catholics

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That false testimony wouldn't be
directed against their fellow man

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This is the only motivation I know
It seemed quite genuine that evening

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What other motives were possible?

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How do you think?

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I don't know

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I can't understand that

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I don't know motives which
would justify a decision like that

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Yes?

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Fear...

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Imagine another Jewish child had been
discovered in that house

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And his head smacked against the railing,
and the family that had kept him executed

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Yes
Fear, yes

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Is fear a justification to you?

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I've just suggested a possible motive
I haven't said...

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We're going too far

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Please consider the moral problems

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...that emerge from that story
as your homework

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As for you,

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try and present an acceptable
point of view of that woman

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Try and understand her

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That's all, thank you

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It wasn't in Mokotow district

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That's right

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It happened down town

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In Noakowskiego street

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Yes

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So it's you...

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Yes, it's me

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And you're alive

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I kept thinking, all those years

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Whenever I saw anybody playing
with a golden chainlet

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I said to myself

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Oh God, you're alive

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A chance family in Prague district
agreed to give me shelter

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Some relatives of the person
who brought me to you

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They were moon shiners,
I spent two years next to a mash tub

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They're with me in America now
The man's already dead, actually

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And you've come here to look at
my face

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...while you tell your story

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I wanted to tell you who I
was back in the States

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I tried to write you a letter

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And to come here

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If it hadn't been for those
few words about that baby

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I'd never have

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Yes

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I see

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Some say a person who rescue
another person has special features

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The same concerns the one who
has to be rescued

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Yes, I believe there are
such special features

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And you have them

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I have them?

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Yes

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The things you did afterwards

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...are well known

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Several of my nationals owe
their lives to you

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Funny, that girl sensed the falsity
of that ostensibly...

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...Catholic reasoning straight away

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The ash-tray's over there

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You don't smoke

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But I see things

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Where are you staying?
Shall I give you a lift?

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I remember you once drove me
all through New York

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I have a room in Victoria
about 300 meters from here

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Perhaps you'd like to have supper
with me?

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In this where you live?

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No

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But this is the house

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Yes

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It's in this very gateway
that you said,

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Let's go, it's curfew soon

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Elzbieta!

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Elzbieta?

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What's all this stir about?

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I didn't hear it ring

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I once... Sorry

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I'm looking for a woman

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There hasn't been one here for ages

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But there are several families
living in this flat?

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Five of them, you must ring
the bell for each of them separately

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We don't like one another too much

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Is this about the advertisement?
Come in, please

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No

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I'm looking for my friend
She entered this staircase

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A tall woman, black hair...

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What?

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I'm looking for my friend

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Nut case!

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Come on, stop it

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Excuse me

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Is there another entrance?

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Is it about the advertisement?

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No

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There's no other entrance

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It's a respectable house

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About the advertisement?

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No, and she never came back

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This means she didn't go in after all

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But she did

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Elzbieta

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Nut case!

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Oh God, I've been looking for you

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I'm here

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I was frightened for a moment

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I thought you'd never been
here at all

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But I am

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It's a horrible place

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I went to my former flat

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That night my father's friend
could not think what to do next

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It was then that I decided
I'd never be afraid again

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Why didn't you come here

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...all those forty years?

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Didn't you want to see this place?

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No, it's humiliating

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Being helped by others?

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Yes, one doesn't like to meet
the witnesses

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...of one's own humiliation

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Even if those witnesses
are only houses

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All right, we investigate.
Analyse and describe

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But how could this injustice
be abolished?

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Why can some be rescuers while
others are the rescued only?

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Do you know why?

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No, I don't

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Let's go

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A nice flat

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I'm on a diet, you see

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I didn't expect anybody to supper

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The woman I remember couldn't have
changed into a person like you

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But it did happen

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You frightened me

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...back there in Noakowskiego street

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I'm sorry

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If you made all this trip of
several thousand kilometers

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...hoping for a mystery,

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...you're going to be disappointed

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The reasons why I had to
get rid of you...

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...that night are trivial

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The impact that night had
on my life...

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...is quite another problem
But let's forget it

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The man...

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...who walk round the room

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...with a hand in his pocket
was my husband

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He died in 1952

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I know

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He was a Home Army officer
in those days

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We had been informed that the family
who were take you

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...were agents of the Gestapo

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Through yourself, your guardian
and the priest the Gestapo would

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...then get to us...
to the underground organization

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That could have been a possible
give-away channel

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And that's the whole mystery

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Yes, it's very simple

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Later it appeared that...

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the information about that family
was false

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But they were nearly executed
by the underground

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And you believed

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That's only natural

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And you lived forty years
with that certainty

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I didn't ever know you were alive

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I left you all alone

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I sent you to what was a
nearly certain death

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And I knew

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...what I was doing

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Yes, you're right

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No idea, no thought,
nothing can be more important

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...that the life of a child

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What do you tell your students?

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About how they should live?

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I don't tell them anything

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I'm there to help them reach
their own conclusion

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Why?

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It's the right that matters

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It does exist

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I believe it exist in all men

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A situation can release either
the right or the wrong

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That evening released
no right in myself

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Who's the one to evaluate it?

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The One who's inside all of us

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I never noticed a mention about
God in your works

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I'm not a church-goer

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I don't use the word God

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But you don't need words
to be sure

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Man is free
...free to choose

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He can leave God behind

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...if he likes

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And what can then replace God?

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Loneliness, in this world

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And afterwards...

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Try to get to...

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the bottom of this problem

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If there's nothing but emptiness

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...afterwards... In that case

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Yes, I know that

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May I?

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Come in, please

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Oh I thought you were alone

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Good evening, Madam

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I just wanted to show you...

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Beautiful, really beautiful

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Sorry to trouble you...

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If you happen to see your so,
please tell him about them

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He was always most interested
in such things

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I will, Polarfahrt

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Three Zeppelins... 1931

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Right
Well, good night

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Good night, and thank you

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A stamp-collector?

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More than that, I think
He sometimes shows those stamps to me

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...like others show their grandchildren

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...or pictures of their children

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He was wearing a sweater
Looked like a neighbour...

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A neighbour, yes

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Know what?
That doctor and patient

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...we talked about during the class

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...also live in this house

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Well, an interesting house

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Like any other one

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In all houses, in all flats,
some people...

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And so on, and so on...

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Exactly

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Thank you

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Do those people...
the ones I was to go to

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Do you know them?

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Yes

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If that's what you want to know?

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Could I meet them?

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Would you like to?

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All right, I'll take you there tomorrow

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It's a small tailor's shop
in Prague district

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But I'm not going in

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I only saw them once after the war

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I said, I'm sorry

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That was all I could say

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But it wasn't enough

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Would you like to...

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...stay here for the night?

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I have another room

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Very few people ever
stay there nowadays

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It's interesting

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Do you like it?

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What are you doing?

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They've got a favourite on TV

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I want to show them I'm even better

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See? That was rubber stand
He can't do that

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How do you do it?

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Anybody can do it
It's a matter of practice

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Bend backwards...

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A bit more

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No, you can't

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I can't

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It's too late now, you won't learn it
I'm sorry

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Excuse me

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Will you have breakfast with me?

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Something more than just 50 grams
of cottage cheese

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...on the fifteenth day of the diet
Coffee without sugar

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All right

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I get up early, just like you

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All right, I'll have...

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A normal breakfast

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Was that room...

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What room?

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The one I slept in

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Was it your son's room?

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Yes, it was

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But he doesn't live here, does he?

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No, he didn't wan to stay with me

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Did you buy these flowers?

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Yes, I noticed you put fresh
flowers on the table

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Thank you

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Where is he?

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To be brief...

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He's far away from me

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It's here

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I'll do some shopping and come back
here to fetch you

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Yes, Madam?

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I'd like to talk to you

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To me?

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Oh God... what about?

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I'm Elzbieta Loranz

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I don't know you, Madam

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I know we never actually met, but we
were to meet during the war...

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No, wait a minute
I don't want to talk about the war

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Or about what happened

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...after the war

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Not even about today

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I can make you a nice dress, coat,
or maybe a suit

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Just decide on the out
Here you are

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You were to save my life, I'd like to
thank you for being prepared to do it

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Got your own length of cloth?

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You see, it's so difficult
to buy anything nowadays

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I was six years old then
It was in February of 1943

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Yes

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I was twenty-two

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Well, a coat?

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These fashion magazine are very old

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Would you be offended if I send you
something more recent?

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No, I got this one from abroad, too
But it was many years ago

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Afterwards, there was no opportunity

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And you aren't going to
talk with me?

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No

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I didn't go away just in case

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Well, he wanted to
make a coat for me

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Just what I thought
He was in great trouble

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Too great a trouble perhaps

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Isn't this a strange country

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Did you pray yesterday?

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Yes